87 responses to “In the future everyone will have two minutes of hate”

  1. exjehovah

    Jehovah’s Witnesses Knocking?

    I applaud your blog

    Who are Jehovah’s Witnesses?

    Dissident Jehovah’s Witness speaks out.
    No tolerance,the Jehovah’s Witnesses are a cult because they try to cut you off from others who do not have the same beliefs, including family.
    The Watchtower is an oppressive cult if there ever was one!

    It’s amazing they are still around after 100 years of 100% failed prophecies. Truly amazing,that they can prompt their followers to actually go door to door with a 100% bogus message.
    Their Message is a Watchtower Gospel that,Jesus had his second coming in 1914 and they were the only ones who saw it and consequently the only hope for mankind.

    The Watchtower is a truly Orwellian world.

    Danny Haszard http://www.freeminds.org

    1. mcfnord

      My sister married one. We’re still welcome.

  2. king_felix

    People like easy.

  3. caladri

    I have a little bit more time for the direct-action freegan vegan batshit insane anarchist hippie communal types when they actually engage in creative direct-action, which some of this was, and they managed to actually organize people in their communities, like they claim to. Scientology is gaining members faster than any of those you list except the Mormons, IIRC (and I’m very willing to be wrong), at least by their own statements which may be lies. The way they affect people’s lives and mindsets is harmful to the community, and they readily engage in direct human rights violations in our communities, not just far-flung approval and disapprovals that amount to policy decisions if people are stupid enough to listen. So from that perspective, I think it makes sense to start with them.

    That said, the whole thing struck me as pretty childish from the outset. While some folks managed to participate in protests with style (nobody is stylish with cyberterrorism), most of them were just sad and kind of painful to watch. Alas.

  4. nebris

    Mr. Cruise raised their profile to the point where they became an easy target. And now they’re reaping what they sowed. Nothing more. Nothing less.


  5. jpeace

    I have no dog in this fight, but I do want to see what pure internet culture is capable of. This (stupid) happening was started by the frothiest vanity cultures on the Western internet and they actually managed to put feet on streets. I think it’s a barometer of how many true believers 4chan (or whoever the fuck) can muster. Depressingly, I think it’s also the face of future campus/youth activism.


    1. nebris

      It would have been interesting to see how Kent State would have turned out if the demonstrators had this kind of gear.


      1. jpeace

        They’d still be dead.

        1. nebris

          With the tactical advantage of PC’s and cell phones, that would no longer be a forgone conclusion.


          1. nebris

            The tactical advantage would be the ability to use communication to avoid the riflemen in the first place.


          2. maps_or_guitars

            Regrettably, the ability to evade riflemen successfully does not result in heart-and-mind changing demonstrations. Nobody remembers the people at Kent State that split, and nobody remembers the people who heard the tanks coming a Tienanmen and got the hell out of the way.

          3. nebris

            Hardly anybody remembers the Kent State shootings at all and the folks who sent the tanks into Tienanmen are hosting the Olympics this summer. I’ll take evading the riflemen and living to fight another day.


          4. maps_or_guitars

            Fair enough, but that seems to be calling for something a bit more than a demonstration.

  6. maria_sputnik

    Yeah. For one thing, it’s uncool to protest a religion, even a creepy cultlike religion. For another, Anonymous is 4chan, isn’t that right? So it’s “protest for the lulz”? I mean, the vibe I get is more “it’s fun to torment Scientologists” than “we’ll keep at this until Scientology mends its wicked ways”.

    I strongly disagree with the commenter who said that Mormonism was socially acceptable in the U.S. It so isn’t. Jehovah’s Witnesses are not socially acceptable either. Anyway I wager that the /b/tards would just as happily set upon on Witnesses, Mormons, or your frail old grandmother.

  7. maps_or_guitars

    I think that it’s pretty comforting, for a certain unreflective mindset, to find a “problem” to beat up on that they have nothing to do with. It lets them forget that there are bigger problems that need tackling that they themselves are complicit in.

  8. judgefudge

    As a friend of mine put it so elegantly, “This is 4chan versus Scientology. No matter who loses, the world will be a better place.”

    Of course /b/ will choose an easy, high profile, and inconsequential target for their brief campaign (that will lapse after a month or two when the next big LOLmeme occupies their consequence). They aren’t equipped to handle real political thought.

  9. yoscott

    Anonymous = 5555555555 after watching anime and v for vendetta for 15 years.

  10. dossy

    Amen, brotha’. Amen.

  11. eyeteeth

    I hadn’t even heard of this until now and ultimately, I think that makes me the winner.

  12. dmlaenker

    Do you read ?

    He has an awful lot of explanations for what’s up and why you should care.

  13. hepkitten

    my argument for the war against scientology begins and ends with this statement:

    even tithing to the catholic church is voluntary both this century and last.

    you don’t see a fucking church of amway. either they are a cult and they lose religious status or they are a religion and the tithing becomes voluntary. you can’t have it both ways.

  14. advorpt

    Why is anyone at all being trolled into this nonsense?

    Convenient target, too much free time, personal vendetta, misplaced anger, a smaller cause they feel they can “win”? In today’s society there are a lot of people (perhaps an entire generation) who feel out-of-control…and there seems to be plenty of room for more Hate. :/

    A well written and thoughtful piece as always, friend.

  15. sooz

    everyone has their battles i guess.. no one has the energy to fight them all. i suppose these anonymous campaign people feel more affected by scientology than the other a gatrillion injustices in the world

  16. klikitak

    Stress Test- Just say NO!

    The other day I made a remark (in a sense playing devil’s advocate for ol’ father hubbard) and my Mom backlashed, “Well, how would you feel if you lost your cousin and sister to that organization?”. Then I remembered that my Mom’s relaties succombed to the church about 13 years ago and broke off all contact. I can understand her anger- they do have that who cult hoo-ha going for them…

    I am for people and organizations challenging things with a face. For all we know, this anonymous group could be Bree and Crazy Bird Lady :/

  17. handstil

    I have stopped understanding things and caring about them.

    My brain hurts.

  18. hebisner

    The danger as I see it is adopting the mob mentality towards groups or idea’s we don’t like, and then employing methods outside the rule of law to vent that dislike. Who gets to decide who deserves this treatment? I don’t recall empowering anyone to jack with Scientology. The likelihood that they are a pack of jackholes who deserve it is not the issue. It’s a group of self-appointed judges who step outside the rule of law to apply their own justice. If Scientology, or Mormons, or whomever plays by the rules, they should not be harrassed in this manner. If they don’t, they should be litigated, prosecuted, or simply ridiculed out of existence.

    1. loose_joints

      Very well said.

    2. dmlaenker

      How does Scientology play by the rules?

      1. hebisner

        To my mind, a better question is: How does it not? That more clearly drives the discussion about what is and is not a legitimate pushback.

        1. dmlaenker

          Are you familiar with Operation Freakout?

          Not only does the CoS threaten its critics, it is church policy to assail them if they continue to criticize the church, as well as to essentially sue them into bankruptcy, goad them into committing assault, and (in some cases, like Paulette Cooper’s) plant evidence falsely suggesting they committed violent acts against the church or others.

          They’re hardly any different from the Westboro Baptist Church in this regard, and very few people say that pushback against Fred Phelps isn’t legitimate.

          1. hebisner

            Yes, it was a scheme to sue, harrass and ultimately railroad a critic into a mental institution. Several members of Scientology who were involved were ulitmately indicted and sentenced. Are the people in question going after Scientology today over that scheme from the 1970’s? Scientology is a bad actor, no doubt. Nothing these guys are doing will change that, it only serves to heighten their sense of persecution. And if we are going to organize online lynch mobs to administer a beatdown on organizations or churches that we don’t like, Scientology would not be even near the top of my list. It’s reach is limited and it’s membership relatively small. It’s political power is laughable compared to most mainstream faiths. And believe me, Catholicism and other large Christian denominations play just as rough and mean, they are just better at it. They have the option of calling their local Congressman, district attorney or Senator to inflict harm on their enemies.

            My bottom line is, I don’t like lynch mobs or self appointed guardians who operate outside of the law, even if I am sympathetic to their general intention or enjoy the discomfort of their victims, which I certainly do with Scientology. That sort of justice gets out of hand very quickly, and as someone who does not share the popular point of view on religion, justice, economics or tolerance of sexual diversity, I keep a sharp eye, perhaps a paranoid eye, towards any outbreak of vigilante justice, even the non-violent ones like this online crew we are talking about, who seem to me to just into being a general nuisance. I don’t want to to beat on these guys too much, they are certainly not dangerous from what I can see.

  19. loose_joints

    As always, I appreciate your thoughtful treatment of difficult subject. Unfortunately it seems that there is a fine line between communal anger and action and communal violence.

    That’s my platitude for the day.

  20. violet_fade

    Word. I agree with everything you just said.

  21. f4te

    And what are you doing!?

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